My worst experience on Astromart with Bruce Karbal
"AKA" Take The Money And Run Bruce Karbal
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I First would like to say, this in "NO WAY" is Astromart or FLI's fault. I will continue to buy and sell my equipment on Astromart. In the below e-mail's I blacked out addresses and other people's names.

This deal gave new meaning to the term TAKE THE MONEY AND RUN!!!

Bruce Karb and I made a deal for his FLI PDF focuser. The Add is listed below (#1)We spoke via E-mail and phone conversation. The deal was for the PDF focuser with 2 adapters, one for the STL-11000 connection and one for the BRC connection to the PDF focuser as well as the cables,tools, paper work and software that the PDF would come with from the factory!!

When this deal began I told Bruce Karb that I was selling some of my equipment and did not have all of the funds at this time to buy his PDF, Bruce Karbal said just commit to buying it and send me the money when your sales are final, (#2) Three days later I mailed Bruce Karbal a personal check for $1400 dollars. Approx. 3 days after my money cleared from my bank Bruce Karbal shipped the PDF focuser. Via Fed-ex. I received it on 4-11-06.

When I opened the box the first thing I noticed there was NO paper work or software, then when I took the PDF out of the box and examined it. I could hear loose equipment moving around inside of the PDF focuser. Within 5 or 10 min I was on the telephone with the manufacture FLI and they confirmed there should not be any noise or loose parts at all, FLI also said that this focuser would work with my FocusMax software that I used with my DF-2 focuser. I tested it to see if it worked at that point, you could hear the motor turning but nothing moved.

I then called Fed-ex to confirm that there is Ins on the package they said if there is a claim they would settle the claim with the person who shipped the item and Insured it. (Bruce Karb)

Then I saw that Bruce Karbal was on line so I sent him a few instant massages in reference to the problems, none of which he chose to answer. I also sent an e-mail to him (#3) Soon after that Bruce Karbal signed off line!!! Still not responding to any of my efforts to contact him I also attempted to call him 2 times on the telephone with nothing but an answering machine. (I did not leave a message) As we were making the deal Bruce Karb was very easy to get intouch with to discus how he was to be paid and what was to be shipped, via E-mail or Telephone, Now he is nowhere to be found after repeated attempts. In his one and only one response to my Calls, IM's, and E-mails (#4) Bruce Karb says it was working when he last used it approx. 3 weeks ago, and it's under warranty until Aug. 2006. I spoke to "Dave" at FLI he says this PDF ser# is only under warranty until April 18th 2006. Does Bruce Karbal have any idea that what he is telling people is WRONG!!! Bruce Karbal went on to shift blame onto me or the shipping co. in the one responding e-mail that he sent. He said it could have been banged around in shipping or maybe you did it.. Then out of the kindness of his heart he offered to pay for the shipping to FLI to have it fixed under it's warranty.

I sent Bruce Karbal another e-mail and kindly asked him to do the right thing here. Please refund my $1400, take the PDF back and you have it fixed under it's warranty(#5) and (#6) Bruce Karb's basic reply was he WILL NOT TAKE IT BACK!!! I have not heard back from Bruce Karbal since.

As far as the BRC adapter I spoke to "Fred" at Texas Nautical he is not sure if it is the correct back focus he is checking into it for me, but he thinks there needs to be a second adapter to connect it to the scope.(UPDATE 4-14-06) There is a second adapter needed to make the connection to the scope!!! Bruce never told me I would need this additional adapter. I believe he is selling it in another add that he placed on Astromart Then in Bruce Karb's e-mail (#4) you can see where he says Loke used this adapter with his BRC set up but Bruce Karb used it with his FLI camera and filter wheel with an additional spacer. He does not say he used it himself with a STL-11000 and BRC scope. So again he does not know what he is telling people. I think he just says whatever it takes to make the sale!!!!

Bruce Karb also goes on to tell me that he forgot to send the software and paper work with the focuser and it was sent in another shipment. Funny he never mentioned this when he sent me the shipping notice for the PDF or anytime after until I brought it up as a problem??? I wonder if I will ever receive the software or paper work that comes standard with each PDF focuser??

Deal with Bruce Karbal at your own risk!!! He took my Money and Ran!!!

As for Bruce Karbal paying for the PDF to be shipped back to FLI. I want nothing more to do with this Guy!!! I will pay for my own shipping to FLI to have the PDF fixed.

One last thing after checking back on Bruce Karb's ratings on Astromart I see this is not the first time he sold an item as one thing and it was another "ABG" or "NABG" but that was not his fault either.

(UPDATE 4-20-06) I was informed by FLI that Bruce Karbal was not the original owner of the PDF focuser. So there is "NO" warranty coverage on this equipment!! So at this point I gave Bruce Karbal another ZERO star rating on Asromart.. That is when this "BUM" decides to finally contact me Via E-mail. (#7). If you look at this e-mail Bruce says that he checked on the warranty for this PDF on March 28th "THAT IS 2 WEEKS BEFORE I RECEIVED IT FROM HIM. IT WAS AS IF HE EXPECTED A PROBLEM ONCE I RECEIVED IT FROM HIM. IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS "BUM" WAS THINKING AHEAD!!! Also go figure, he says this is not his fault either and offers to pay for the repair (#8 My reply)(as I said before I don't want your money for the shipping or repair. I asked for a refund of my $1400 not for you to intentionally sell me a broken PDF and then pay for it to be shipped/fixed) then goes on to tell me he "expects" me to remove my last negative rating on Astromart. (Hey Bruce ask me if I really care about anything you "expect" at this point) I "expected" you to be a stand up guy and refund my $1400. But why do that when you intentionally sold me a broken PDF focuser and even tried to cover all the bases before you SOLD/SHIPPED it to me!! by checking on it's warranty.. (Update 4-23-06. I was asked to remove my 2nd rating from Astromart by Herb. I will do as Herb asks, as it is his web site. You can stop your CRYING & TEARS!!! Bruce save them for another time)

(Update 4-25-06. I was informed by a very reliable source that does not want to be identified at this time, that the BRC adapter that Bruce says he used with the PDF focuser (and SOLD to me) will cause the PDF to bind up and break!!! Also that after it was made for the original owner this was a known problem. The threading on the adapter was to long, which interferes with the motion of the PDF focuser causing it to break. If you look at my E-mail's to Bruce I say it is not the correct adapter and he insists that it is the right one and he used it. I knew this was the wrong adapter because I had seen other pictures of the correct adapter.

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Home > Classifieds > Astromart Classifieds > CCD Cameras ASTRO > Classified #418773
Sale/Trade: FLIPDF w/ BRC &STL daptrs PENDING AD-14/15 availab
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Ad No.: 418773
Seller: Bruce Karbal (332)
Price: $1,500.00 negotiable
S & H: Buyer pays shipping
Payment: PayPal, Money Orders, Instant Cash Wire Transfer, Cash
Posted: 3/23/2006 4:56 AM
Location: Chicago, IL - United States
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I would be interested in potential trade for sn SBIG ST 7 xe or ST-7 XME ABG version preferred

The focuser, BRC and STL adaptor are sale pending to Steve

The 2 adaptors to connect FSQ,TOA,FCT 150,FS152 to the PDF etc are still available
I have a fairly new Finger Lakes PDF focuser to sell.
It comes with software, cables, power supply,
AD 14,AD 15, and AD 18 adaptors
the 3 Fli adaptors for connection to Tak scopes w/88mm threads....FSQ,BRC250,TOA 4" focuser, FCT150....
and the STL to PDF connector

PDF was $ 1900 new
1495 PDF
125 AD 14 <----STILL AVALABLE didn't go with the PDF $ 210 shipped for the pair
125 AD 15 <----STILL AVALABLE didn't go with the PDF
150 AD 18

excellent condition

There's not enough back focus on my new ASA astrograph on order to use the PDF...

Thanx bruce

NOTE STL-11 available separately or in apackage with this focuser

 

(#2)

In a message dated 3/25/2006 8:12:41 AM Central Standard Time, ROFF542 writes:
Hi Bruce,

Ok!!! it's a deal for the PDF,cables,software,papers, and 2 adapters BRC and FLI to STL shipped to me.. $1400.00 Shipped


My shipping address is:
Stephen T. Roffo Jr

Thanks Bruce... I'll contact you later today.. I should be able to get a check out to on Monday or Tuesday for the $1400


Steve
Steve,

Thanx very much.....you'll love how this focuser works....it's super smooth and incredibly precise !

My address is

Bruce Karbal
2924 West Chase Ave.
Chicago, Illinois 60645

if you'll want a signature for the check.....send to my office
Cagan Management Group, Inc.
Bruce Karbal
3856 Oakton Street
Skokie, Illinois 60076
847-324-8930


If you sell stuff over the weekend and want to paypal.....i'll want the 3 % fee added in
and will ship (either way ) when I get the dollaries

Cheers Bruce

(#3)

-----Original Message-----
From: ROFF542
To: Skyloverz
Sent: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 4:22:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Subject: Re: PDF


Hi Bruce,

I received the FLI-PDF focuser about 20 min ago..

There are a number of problems...

There is no Software or paper work..


The BRC adapter is not the correct back focus for a BRC or FRC this adapter works for a FSQ-106 not the BRC..

There is a lot of loose equipment moving around the inside of the focuser and I called FLI there should be no noise or loose equipment inside.. When connected to the computer and FocusMax you can hear the gears turning but there is no movement at all ??

I would like to ship this back to you for a refund of the $1400

Steve Roffo

 

 

 

 

(#4)

Steve,

The adaptor is absolutely for the BRC to PDF connection. I have the original specs and e-mail from precise parts to Loke Tan for the order for this adaptor. Loke used this exact adaptor with his BRC and PDF and STL 11000.
I used the same adaptor with an FLI IMG and CFW combo with an additional spacer and reached focus no problem.

The PDF was working smoothly the last time I used it about 3 weeks ago. The PDF is under warranty through August 06. I'm willing to pay ship cost for you to FLI to have the PDF checked out and or adjusted/repaired.
I'm not willing to "take it back"...it was working perfectly fine when I last used it, mebbe it got bounced around in shipping, mebbe you ran it out to far or to close or I don't know what.

The software was mailed separately to you...I forgot to include it in the package.

Let me know ship cost to FLI and I'll send it to you when they get the PDF.

Bruce

(#5)

Bruce This is totally unacceptable!!!

It arrived with the chain that turns the gears broken in pieces.. I do not think it happened during shipping and even if it did happen during shipping that is way you took out ins on it for $1400.00..

The adapter is the incorrect backfocus for a BRC...

You forgot the software and paper work..

Do the right thing!!! here..

You accepted my $1400 and I received a broken focuser.. No software or paper work... And the incorrect adapter..

Why wont you just do the right thing and take it back refund my $$$ and you send to FLI to be fixed!!! I received it broken right out of the box!!

Please, Do the right thing here..

Steve

 

 

(#6)

Bruce,

Are you going to take this back and refund my money ($1400)???
As I said it was broken when I received it..
I sent you an IM and E-mails right way inref to this problem, I also called FLI within 10min of receiving it to find out what the noise was, I even called Fed-ex within 15 min to check on insurance policy's they said they would have to settle with the person who shipped the item and paid the actual ins. for it.. (YOU)

Why are you being like this?? Do the right thing here and stand behind your sale..

Please, I'm asking you to do the right thing here and take it back & refund my $1400.. Don't just take my $$$ and run!!!.. We "DO NOT" need those kind of examples or transactions on Astromart..

Please,

Steve Roffo

 

(#7)

Steve,

I have an e-mail dated March 28, 2006 from Dave Johnson at FLI stating the PDF was still under warranty when I sold it to you.
You stated yourself in your "rating" in ad # 417889 on the PDF sale that
"As per "Dave" at FLI it's warranty is up on April 18th 2006" this was taken directly from the text of your rating.

I originally offered to pay all the shipping costs for the repair and you never responded back to me. You elected to hit me with a zero rating.

You sent me an e-mail "response" to a new ad of mine TODAY, with the express intent of
rating the PDF sale a SECOND time. You sent this response 40 minutes ago and have ALLREADY went on Astromart, RATED ME TERRIBLY, SLANDERED ME,
WITHOUT even waiting for a response from me.

You have not stated FLI "reason" for "no warranty" posted up this horrible rating in a timeframe, where FLI is allready closed today, I have no way of discussing this with FLI, today. If FLI gave me incorrect information on the warranty expiration time of this PDF I sold you.....I will pay for the entire repair. If FLI says it was dissassembled or abused in any way...I will NOT pay for anything.


I expect you to remove this second rating on the PDF sale to you, you intentionally placed ONLY by responding to a new ad of mine, that you have NO INTENTION to purchase.

Please advise me

(#8)

BBruce,

First let me thank you for finally replying to my many E-mails,IM's & calls..

But I feel you intentionally sold me a broken PDF focuser.. This damage was not done in shipping.. I asked you several times to do the right thing and refund my $$ and you refused..

As far as your ADD for the STL-11000 we did discus me purchasing it when I was buying the PDF.. So their was an intension to buy it at one point and you deleted your PDF add..

As far as you paying for the shipping & repair. No Thank You. After this e-mail I want nothing more to do with you. I asked you to do the right thing and refund my ($1400) you said that you would not take the PDF back. You took my $1400 and just blew my off other than offering to pay the shipping to FLI for the repair of the BROKEN PDF that you sold me..

I feel that I am justified in letting people know about your selling practices.. I did nothing wrong in this deal, I paid you top dollar and within minutes of receiving your broken PDF focuser. I notified you, only to have you shift blame on to me or the shipping co. I WOULD NEVER HAVE TREATED A PERSON LIKE THAT, AFTER I SOLD THEM AN ITEM.

Thank you,

Stephen T. Roffo Jr